“The fun thing about conversations is that you don’t know where they’re going when you begin. For me, the excitement of a podcast is two people sitting down and exploring a new territory together with no map, and sometimes not even a destination—just an entry gate. Today’s conversation fits the bill perfectly, and the topic is an interesting one: what does it mean for a counselor to have power? How did Jesus use his power? We certainly don’t come with an exhaustive answer, but I hope you’ll enjoy the hike through unknown territory in our episode today.” Host, Alasdair Groves